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So many words... But it all comes down to the fact that, according to you, even if I commit millions sins every day my entire life and then at the last moment before my death repent and accept Jesus as my lord and holy blablabla, then everything I did will be forgiven and I will end up in heaven. Interesting how god's justice works, is it not?
Of course, in reality there is no god and no hell/heaven; it is all made up by charlatans to trick people like you into transferring your money to their bank accounts. But charlatans usually, at least, try to make a consistent argument, so their plot is not so easy to discover. The charlatans you are following cannot even get the basics right.
What is wrong with sinning, if you can just repent one day and be forgiven? Never thought about it, did you?
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Our friend forgets that Jesus was Jew and that the Jewish tradition on forgiveness called for the sinner to seek forgiveness from the only one who could give it. The victim.
He also ignores what Jesus taught.
Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.
Regards
DL
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6 Jesus *said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me." John 14:6 (NASB)
2) Everyone that sins dies in the body but NOT in the spirit. You cite the Covenant of Law and we're not under the Covenant of Law lest you are practicing Judaism and if you are, you cannot be saved from death in Hell by The Law.
"nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified." Galatians 2:16 (NASB)
I have the words to life, the words that will rescue you from certain death and destruction in Hell, but you must be willing to listen.
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If god already knows everything there is to know about me, my heart, my future, etc., then he has already decided whether I will be sent to hell or heaven. And if that is so, then it does not matter what I do: the outcome will be the same. Another consequence of your mythology you have never really thought about.
Your heaven seems to be the most boring place in the Universe anyway. Imagine a bunch of folks preaching the same few lines you are preaching... I want to be where the party is!
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Omniscience is incompatible with unpredictability, as omniscience includes knowledge of the future. This means that, regardless of any free will, the god already knows what choices I will make at every point in the future, hence has already decided where I will go after death. Unless you want to question your god's wisdom by claiming that he knows less about the future than, say, I do? I already know well that I will never "repent" or do any other shamanic ritual you folks believe in, so if god does not know it yet, then I know more than the god does... Peculiar, is it not?
Your religion is full of contradictions, but, I think, the biggest contradiction is the claim that god allegedly is so smart and righteous, yet all the preachers, who are mere humans, think themselves qualified to speak for the god. I guess it means that the god is less intelligent than the average Christian, which makes one wonder why you take that creature so seriously in the first place.
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On Jesus dying for you. Can y6ou even say the word --- moral?
It takes quite an ego to think a god would actually die for you, after condemning you unjustly in the first place.
You have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil you make Jesus to keep your feel good get out of hell free card.
It is a lie, first and foremost because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral. To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral.
You also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people.
Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.
Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:
There is no way that you would teach your children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments and here you are doing just that.
Jesus is just a smidge less immoral than his demiurge genocidal father, and here you are trying to put him as low in moral fibre as Yahweh.
Regards
DL
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" God allows you free will to choose your destiny"
Your bible disagrees with you. You might try reading it. Here. This ols O.P. will help you think, if that is still possible for you.
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Are non-believers doomed by Divine Design?
Scriptures say that God decides if a person will be a believer or non-believer. Those scriptures are shown in this link.
Those quotes seems to really screw up the free will notion that Christians say God gives us.
The free will that God offers is kind of a joke anyway given the number of people whose free will to live is ignored in the billions of adults, children and babies that God is shown to torture and murder in scriptures.
If the bible and Yahweh are to be believed, and as a non-believer, I, of course, cannot believe it, thanks to God, by God’s design and will against me, then why did God deny me belief or faith?
Even more important to believers, might be to answer the question of; did God make you a believer in things that you can only hope exists and can never confirm?
Are you happy with God ignoring or negating your free will to think as you please?
I have assumed that God’s work of creating both believers and non-believers is working. If that is so, and you believers must think it so, just as I as a non-believer cannot think it is working, --- and Jesus said that those with faith could do all he did and more, --- then the is is not even one believer or person of faith that has ever existed.
Either the bible and Christianity is all a lie, or there must be some who can do what Jesus did.
What is your choice of those two options?
Is the bible and Christianity a lie, or is God just not creating any people with faith, --- which would make all Christians who say they have faith, --- liars.
I mean no insult here but someone is definitely lying, if we read what is written and look at reality and listen to Christians.
What do you think is the truth?
Is it just for God to create people doomed to hell even if they wanted to believe?
Regards
DL
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If your savior is god, then he will have his desire fulfilled. Right?
Why then would he need a hell if he satisfies his desire, as he cannot help but do, being al powerful and all. Right?
Regards
DL
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People still think they have free will?
Wasn't aware that was still seriously considered.
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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You think this way because you only see one move ahead and are not willing to trace the path your initial postulate leads to.
There are only two possibilities:
1) When the god created me, he did not know whether I would end up in Hell or Heaven. In this case, the god is not omniscient.
2) When the god created me, he knew where I would end up: Hell or Heaven. In this case I am correct.
Based on your claim on god's omniscience, only 2 can be true. This means that the god, when creating me, already knew where I would end up. If I am destined to end up in Heaven, then I am fine. And if I am destined to end up in Hell, then the god is quite a compassionate being...
Either way, the conclusion is the same: it does not matter what I do, and it will have no impact on my ultimate fate. It is not a very complicated logic, and the only reason you are not able to grasp it is because of all the conditioning you have gone through that has erased your propensity for critical thinking.
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How many of your heart beats did you decide were your own?
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
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Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
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I do not know how I can make this any simpler... Let me just ask you a very simple question: when the god created me, did he know whether I would end up in Heaven or Hell? Yes or no.
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Okay. So the god did not know whether I would end up in Hell or Heaven. I will repeat it: the god did not know.
Now, definition of the word "omniscience":
https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/omniscience
What conclusion do you think follows from this?
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Talk about hypocrisy and turning away from your own bible.
Satan has you well in hand buddy, when she can make you ignore your own bible.
Regards
DL
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Since this is almost a daily occurrence, your value as an entertainer has skyrocketed to the point I could not create a more convincing satire of apologetic ideas taken seriously by theists.
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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It's like comedy gold on tap.
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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Ok, well, I'm calling Poe's law on everything you have ever said.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Poe%27s%20Law
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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But if we explore what you speak of on a meta level (talking about talking about it) would we find that it was serious, or would we find that in fact the whole thing was a deluded mess where there is no awareness of what we are discussing, or would we find sincerity?
If it is sincere, what evidence do you have to back up this claim?
Otherwise I can always point to the complete and utter absurdity that is religion, and essentially every facet of any religion. The chaotic unpredictability of these set of beliefs and tradition do not to me, seem to have any solid foundation that is predictable and can be always derived from a given set of physical principals, indicating that they are in fact, random.
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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If he chose to set aside his omniscience, then he is not omniscient, contrary to what you claimed earlier. And since in your claim you referenced the Bible, it means that the Bible contains a logical error. That is pretty bad for a text that is claimed to have come directly from god, because it means that either the god is lying, or the god himself has a logical error in his thoughts, which really shakes the very foundation of the Christian world view.
This is not the only logical error there (far from it), and I can easily give you a dozen more examples off the top of my head. The whole thing is a train of absurdities and logical fallacies. But that is beside the point.
Imagine if we learn tomorrow that, say, Newtonian mechanics are wrong, and the equation F=ma actually does not hold. Well, it would be big enough news that we would pretty much have to reconsider all physics we have learned over the last three centuries. Nothing of what we have built would hold any more, and everything would need to be revised.
Yet when someone demonstrates the Bible to be wrong, Christian fundamentalists just shrug and say, "Oh, you simply need to believe the scripture and repent".
You folks have a very strange relationship with logic.
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Look again at the definition of the word "omniscience" I linked above. Omniscience is the state of knowing everything, it is not the ability to enter the state of knowing everything. God's alleged ability to enter the state of omniscience does not make him omniscient, just like my ability to become drunk does not make me drunk.
I just proved logically to you in a very simple way that the Bible contains an error. Men have not dedicated their lives to prove that the Bible is errant; they have dedicated their lives to fight the despotism of Christian theocracies, and they have been ultimately successful, which we should be very happy about.
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Anyways, I will be laughing from a distance.
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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Once again, omniscience is the state of knowing everything. What do you misunderstand about the word "state"? Do you know the difference between the ability to get into the drunk state, and being in the drunk state?
The only box we are constraining our discussion to is the English language. It is not my fault that you do not recognise the meaning of the words in this language. I am not a native speaker, so I would expect you to know English better than me - maybe reading the Bible regularly has a negative impact on that?
The Bible is objectively wrong. Your attempts to use the regular "Oh, but it does not really mean it directly" maneuvers are not going to work on me. I am sorry, friend, but you have encountered a mathematician on this website, and us mathematicians do not take logical juggling like this seriously.
Knowing something most of the time is not nearly the same as knowing everything, so your example regarding your children and wife is quite irrelevant here. You can argue that god is very knowledgeable (although, judging by the quality of the book he allegedly created, I doubt that is true), but not omniscient.
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The god is the one that created me allegedly, and if he is omniscient, then he would know before creation that I would reject him. Your argument does not make any sense. It is like saying, "I knew that creating a nuclear bomb and blowing it up above a major city downtown would kill a million people, but the bomb was free to not kill anyone, so I am not responsible for what it did".
No, when you create something with the full knowledge of what this something will do, then it is your will, not this something's will.
Did you create your wife? No. Thus this example has nothing to do with the topic.
I do not know the "scriptures", but I do know English and basic logic, and that proved to be enough to find a logical error in the Bible without even opening the book and just listening to your description of it.
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He created me knowing, being omniscient, every moment of my life, and every choice I would make. That is the only possibility consistent with him being omniscient, hence every choice I make has been predetermined by his design.
How do you manage to misunderstand such a simple concept?
If it is not God's will that anyone ends up in Hell, then why does he send anyone to Hell? Yet another aspect of the Bible that makes no sense. "Let me give people the ability to end up in a place where they will be eternally tortured, because I love them." Nice design indeed!
Do you, by any chance, plant mines all over your house, out of love for your wife and children, so they had the ability to step on them and blow up by choice - oh, and also hiding those mines carefully, so they could not find them by using their basic senses and had to read some book full of contradictions you wrote to even realise that they are there? Sounds like a true expression of love.
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***** It is not God's will that anyone perish in sin but God created you as a free moral agent and you have opted to make choices that distanced yourself from God.
...that includes you and me.
How is it a “ great sacrifice “ to die for a weekend only to get eternal life in return?
I’m an Atheist but let’s say there is a god I didn’t “choose” to go to Hell god is making that choice for me , the scenario you present is the very same as a new mafia boss in the neighborhood who walks into your business and says “ lovely business you have here , it would be a shame to lose it if you don’t pay homage to me weekly you will loose everything”
How is this any different?
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If someone who was not familiar with Christianity read this, they would probably think that it has been written by a mental asylum patient. Yet by conditioning people from a very young age, it is possible for them to learn to actually rationalise all this somehow. It is truly an amazing phenomenon what you can get people to believe in if you try really hard! Reminds me of how in Soviet Union people reconciled the idea of Lenin being physically immortal with his corpse laying in a mausoleum on the Red Square.
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Yes indeed , get them young and you can convince them of anything in the case of religion anyway , as they grow up any doubts they have don’t register because if everyone else is doing it sure it must be right.
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What an atheist loser. You do not even care when you lie and here you are, an atheist, trying to make Christians look as immoral as they are.
People see it and respect for your ilk disappears.
Then again, that is your goal isn't it.
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DL
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You are a poor Christian but let's see what kind of man you are.
If a man that is.
If you, as a father, decided that a blood sacrifice was required, would you send your son or would you step up yourself?
Quote your way out of this one.
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